# How Svelte and Elm compare?

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**Created:** [August 19, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://discourse.elm-lang.org/t/how-svelte-and-elm-compare/8604 "2022-08-19T16:53:20Z")\
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I think this is actually a reasonable question to ask since Elm is both a language and a framework, and the compiler output of Elm is in the same language Svelte uses.

There have already been two threads about this with lots of details:

> [@Could updating the DOM directly instead of the virtual dom get any advantage for elm? (the way it does for svelte)](https://discourse.elm-lang.org/t/could-updating-the-dom-directly-instead-of-the-virtual-dom-get-any-advantage-for-elm-the-way-it-does-for-svelte/3995):
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> I am trying to understand more how that would work / why it won’t.

> [@Can the compiler skip virtual DOM?](https://discourse.elm-lang.org/t/can-the-compiler-skip-virtual-dom/6300):
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> Since Elm is compile to js code, is it possible to go svelte’s approach to directly compile to raw dom manipulation, and no vdom?

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