Pointless Disagreement

Your exact words on the Discord server were

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I also believe words matter, and the words you have used to communicate in this thread and your threat of continued escalation means I do not believe engaging with you would be productive or in my best interests.

I felt it important for others in the community to see opposition to your conduct as de-escalation attempts from others did not work. I’ll take the advice already given now and disengage from this, as I suggest others do too.

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Maybe we should all stop talking about how we should start acting better to each other and start putting it in into practice… Some lines were crossed indeed. We can spent next few days pointing out who did that at what point or focus on that not happening again or happening less often… Doing both will be extremely hard because it will just fuel cycle of confrontation and defense.

I don’t know who is interested in forcing more people into defending what they said or did in this thread. I know I’m not. I’m interested in seeing us communicating better outside of this thread.

Darn! I stand corrected.

Was certain I took the time to avoid that. But clearly haven’t, twice! So I did call Rupert a parasite repeatedly… you were right @hayleigh !

I’m glad there’s a public record. I want to be held accountable for my public speech.

I insta-quit after that post. Does that record also show any further reflection on how to build a safe space and a more productive outcome of that incident back then?

But how do you get to closure for the victim?

I tried every possible way to communicate that I’m a victim of plagiarism, suffered serious loss, and am continuing to suffer. Several people asked for evidence and details, quantification… I obliged. Not one poster here recognized that.

How can you focus on this happening less often if not one single person acknowledged it happening?

I doubt there is any satisfactory resolution. I don’t know how win in situation like this looks like. What I can say is that this whole situation made me think more about this type of community engagement in general and I will be myself more careful going forward and consider some good points raised in here. I understand it’s not what you imagine but it’s all I can do from my side. Also in my view there is still much more work left ahead and focusing on reducing future harm will yield more value than insisting on correction of every single past offense at the expense of that.

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Several people asked for evidence and details, quantification… I obliged. Not one poster here recognized that.

Could it be that the evidence you provided is not enough to support the claim of plagiarism?

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I’d say that someone would have responded publicly to concrete evidence and point to problems.

OK I’ve done my best to read through this but it’s clear there’s also a lot of context in other communities, Git histories etc. that I can’t pretend to have the time to fully recurse into (especially without a deep technical background in language/compiler design, in order to be able to really understand some of the technical issues/arguments around bytecode formats etc.).

I’m going to close this topic because I think it’s gotten too long to be able to read through easily and doesn’t seem to be generating any new or useful insights at this point, but I’m going to reach out to the primary involved parties privately (and individually, at least for now) to see if it’s possible to reach some kind of understanding or agreement without the pressure on both sides to make a) stressful public statements, that are b) constrained to be text-only, with the corresponding loss of nuance.

(Meta-point: this may not in fact be the best way to perform forum moderation! I really don’t know, I’m not remotely an expert, just doing my best to try to improve the situation :sweat_smile:)

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