Evan’s recent talk is now on video! Elm comes in toward the end, but definitely worth watching the whole talk! ["The Economics of Programming Languages" by Evan Czaplicki (Strange Loop 2023)] Jeremy

It’s always good to see and hear from project leaders in a strange loop talk. In case of Evan, I think it’s time to ask for help from neutral organizations like The Linux Foundation. There are lots of Web & Application Development projects which found their home in such organization. Why can’t Elm b…

[image] novid: It’s always good to see and hear from project leaders in a strange loop talk. In case of Evan, I think it’s time to ask for help from neutral organizations like The Linux Foundation. There are lots of Web & Application Development projects which found their home in such organizat…

[image] rupert: Is there some reason that someone other than Evan could move Elm there? Or would that have to be a hard fork? I guess it seems off to ask to host a “maintainance” version of Elm 0.19 without shifting the whole project over? So probably yes, it would need to be a hard fork. I’m…

I wish @evancz the best and appreciate him sharing so openly. I don’t have any great solutions, but my experience seems to resonate with what DHH says: [image] I won't let you pay me for my open source In Debt: The First 5,000 Years, anthropologist David Graeber explores the fascinatin…

I think you hit the nail on the head with: “bad for you, … your ability to compete/commercialize.” If we’re talking competition, then we’re talking positioning, market, customers, competitors. Forget books about landlords, read Porter’s “Competitive Advantage.” While the positioning is kinda-expli…

Great recommendations, especially the first essay contributes one important element of the solution space. I understand Evan’s preoccupation is “How to make a living solely by creating an open source language on my own terms, without any strings attached” which is a different problem space. To be …

[image] curiousme: The focus on beginners repels investment. Sorry to have to say that. While I respect the altruism and all, beginners are not the customer that pays the bills. I think Elm is good for beginners, but not in a way that makes it bad for experts. So its not really the case that …

Of course. This statement should be taken in the context of this thread’s topic, the linked thread, and the business problem space. The other thread contains this statement: The main point is that I really think that people underestimate the role of funding/headcount in supporting good working r…

[image] rapind: I use both Elm and PostgREST often and it’s miles better (after some initial investment) than middleware platforms like rails / phoenix / django / node etc. You can eliminate so much complexity. There was an earlier talk about it with plenty of speculation here: […

[image] novid: I think it’s time to ask for help from neutral organizations like The Linux Foundation. Evan’s discusses corporate alliances around ~21mins into the talk, and then around ~30mins in discusses the different design incentives that come with that, so there are legitimate reasons t…

"The Economics of Programming Languages" by Evan Czaplicki (Strange Loop 2023)

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There was an earlier talk about it with plenty of speculation here:

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"The Economics of Programming Languages" by Evan Czaplicki (Strange Loop 2023)

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